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William Brown - Chairman, Chief Executive Officer & President, Harris Corp.
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Christopher E. Kubasik – Chairman, Chief Executive Officer & President, L3 Technologies
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Rahul Ghai—Chief Financial Officer, Harris Corp.
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Anurag Maheshwari—Vice President of Investor Relations, Harris Corp.
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Ralph D’Ambrosio – Chief Financial Officer, L3 Technologies
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John Kim—Vice President of Investor Relations, L3 Technologies
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Seth Seifman - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division
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Carter Copeland - Melius Research LLC
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Jonathan Raviv - Citigroup Inc, Research Division
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Sheila Kahyaoglu - Jefferies LLC, Research Division
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Ronald Epstein - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division
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Robert Stallard - Vertical Research Partners, LLC
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David Strauss - Barclays Bank PLC, Research Division
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Cai Von Rumohr - Cowen and Company, LLC, Research Division
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Gautam Khanna - Cowen and Company, LLC, Research Division
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Robert Spingarn - Crédit Suisse AG, Research Division
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Peter Arment - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division
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Noah Poponak - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division
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Operator: |
Good morning and welcome to L3 Technologies and Harris Corporation’s conference call to discuss their merger of equals. Please note this event is being recorded.
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John Kim: |
Thank you and good morning. I would like to welcome everyone to our joint Harris Corporation and L3 Technologies conference call to discuss our merger of equals. With me
from Harris are Bill Brown, Chairman and CEO; Rahul Ghai, CFO; Anurag Maheshwari, Vice President of Investor Relations. And from L3, are Chris Kubasik, Chairman and CEO, Ralph D’Ambrosio, CFO.
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Bill Brown: |
Well thank you John, and good morning everyone. It’s an exciting day for Harris and L3, and we appreciate you joining us on this call in short notice. Yesterday
afternoon, Harris and L3 announced an all-stock merger of equals to create a leading global defense technology company.
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Chris Kubasik: |
Thank you, Bill. This is truly an exciting time, and I believe this combination is a win-win for both of our companies.
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Bill Brown: |
So now turning to slide 11, we’ve been discussing this opportunity for a couple of months and have done substantial analysis, giving us confidence that the combination will
generate approximately $500 million gross cost synergies in year three, which is about 1.8 percent of combined revenue. These savings are largely in line with what we achieved in the successful Exelis integration, where we delivered
savings that were not only higher but earlier then initially planned. Roughly half of the savings in this merger will come from reducing direct and indirect spend, and rationalizing the facility footprint. With the other half equally
split between eliminating duplicate corporate and segment cost and functional efficiencies, overhead cost reduction and shared services. We expect to invest approximately $450 million in cash over the next three years to achieve these
synergies.
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Chris Kubasik: |
Turning to slide 14, we believe this transaction benefits all stakeholders. We will be better positioned to serve our customers. We will improve affordability by
leveraging our scale and becoming more efficient. And, our government customers will benefit from the return of about 200 million in synergy savings per year.
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Operator: |
Thank you. At this time, I would like to remind everyone that if you would like to ask a question please press the “star” then the number “1” on your telephone keypad.
Again that is “star” “1”.
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Seth Seifman: |
Thanks very much, and good morning and congratulations.
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Bill Brown: |
Good morning, Seth.
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Seth Seifman: |
Good morning, Bill. Just wanted to start out asking a little bit about growth. You know on one of the slides you talk about half a billion of the incremental cash flow
coming from organic growth. If we think 20 percent tax rate and maybe 15-20 percent drop-through, that that looks like if 2022 is the third full-year then maybe we’re talking about mid-single digit top-line. I’m wondering if is that
the right way to think about it? And if so, given we know the outlays are going to be growing based on budgets and the revenue synergies that you might hope to capture from the deal, is that maybe a little bit conservative at this
point?
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Bill Brown: |
I think it’s realistic based on what we see today, Seth. The organic growth profile of the combined company, will not look different at the start from what we’re doing
individually and what we’ve guided to individually. You know, of course as you pointed out over time we do expect revenue synergies to pop in. We don’t see that in the next one or two years, but certainly over the three-year period it
will start to flow in. We’re not quantifying that today.
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Seth Seifman: |
Great, and then maybe Bill just as a quick follow-up. I know you’ve said in the past that you’re more interested in doing bigger deals, and you certainly didn’t disappoint
here, I guess when you look at the challenges of what you and Chris are planning to do here versus what happened with Exelis, which was a smaller and maybe more integrated company at the time that you bought it, can you talk about some
of the challenges here and how you’re anticipating them?
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Bill Brown: |
Well, Seth, I mean your point is right. It’s a much bigger combination than us buying Exelis. But fortunately we have both Chris and I staying on top of this, leading the
company, sharing the responsibilities where it’s going to be an enormous task over the next three years. You know Chris as Chief Operating Officer and President will keep an eye on the segments and making sure we execute against our
customer priorities, keep growing the business in what is now a growing market. And then together we’ll chair integration and make sure we capture the best of the best from both organizations.
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Chris Kubasik: |
Here, Seth, so I’ll just chime in. The exciting part of this from my perspective, and Bill and I have talked about it, is this merger really does create greater benefits
and growth opportunities than either company could have done on their own. And these are two strong companies. You saw the quarterly results. We’re both on an up swing. And I think it’s a unique and exciting time to put this merger
together.
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Seth Seifman: |
Great, thank you and congrats to you both.
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Bill Brown: |
Thank you.
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Chris Kubasik: |
Thank you.
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Operator: |
Our next question comes from the line of Carter Copeland of Melius Research.
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Carter Copeland: |
Hi, good morning gentleman and congratulations.
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Bill Brown: |
Thanks Carter, good morning.
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Chris Kubasik: |
Good morning.
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Carter Copeland: |
Two questions – one just more of a clarification on the synergies— are the synergy targets you outlined all exclusive of the cost reduction estimates and things you’ve
talked about on the L3 side? I guess that question is for Ralph. And then for whoever wants to answer it the – just a question about how you envision the organizational structure, at least sort of philosophically? I mean the way
these two companies are put together is a bit different. They’re both, I guess, somewhat entrepreneurial in their own ways, but in terms of number of segments and operating structure they have a different look and feel. I wondered if
you might just share your vision about how you think about putting those two together?
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Chris Kubasik: |
Yes, Carter, thanks for the two questions. I’ll take the first one, it’s an easy one. The answer is yes, relative to the synergy numbers that we’ve laid out here as a
team. So relative to how we’re going to organize, Bill and I’ve spent a lot of time talking about that. I’ll turn it over to him to give you some of the initial thoughts.
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Bill Brown: |
So we have six segments today between the two of us. Obviously, it’ll go down to a smaller number than that. It’ll be maybe four, could be three, it’s in that sort of
range. Chris and I’ll talk about that over the course of the next couple of months, as we realign the pieces and the businesses underneath that. But at a high level, the way I see what we have done, we have focused on operational
excellence, process simplification, complexity reduction, cash flow generation, all of the things that I think has improved our performance over time. And this is what Chris has laid out over the last year as a strategy at L3. So
frankly we’re both on the same page on how to run a business culturally. I think it runs deep in the organizations. We have to make sure we maintain that entrepreneurial spirit in driving growth but at the same time get the leverage
of the broader enterprise that we happen to be running today. So we’ll announce over the course of the next several months what the structure is going to be as we talk through those dimensions.
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Carter Copeland: |
OK, great. Thanks gentlemen.
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Bill Brown: |
You bet, thank you.
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Operator: |
Our next question comes from the line of Jon Raviv of Citi.
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Bill Brown: |
Good morning, Jon.
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Jon Raviv: |
Hi, good morning. Thanks for everything. Question on the pro-forma cash deployment. I think you mentioned that you might spend up to $2 billion of excess cash on
repurchases. But why would you not spend that? You know, is there room to add more? I think Bill you also mentioned some portfolio shaping optionally down the road. So give me more perspective or color on that would be much
appreciated.
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Bill Brown: |
I think we’re limited in only up to $2 billion to maintain a tax free nature of this merger. I think that’s really what’s limiting that, Jon. We’ll say more about that
overtime, but we can only do up $2 billion.
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Chris Kubasik: |
And just to emphasize, for the first three years the top two goals are number one, to execute on our existing commitments and grow the business organically, and then focus
on the integration. The free cash flow will be spent. I think about $450 million is the cost to integrate this new entity. As Bill said, we’ll be shareholder friendly, and obviously we wouldn’t expect a lot of acquisitions in those
first couple years as we focus on the integration. So the excess cash will go as we discussed.
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Jon Raviv: |
Great, thanks.
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Bill Brown: |
You bet, Jon.
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Operator: |
Our next question comes from the line of Sheila Kahyaoglu of Jefferies.
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Bill Brown: |
Good morning, Sheila.
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Sheila Kahyaoglu: |
Hi, good morning and congratulations on the transaction. I guess Harris has a defense business with the communications segment that generates 30 percent operating
margins. Are there opportunities with that commercial model to drive margin expansion across the combined platforms? And if so, what domains do you think it’s most applicable in?
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Bill Brown: |
You know it’s a good question, Sheila. At this point as we combine our companies, we’re going to see operating margin expansion simply because we were anticipating it and
guiding investors to that operating margin growth over the next several years, as well as L3 who has been very clear about a margin expansion journey. When you combine the companies, we’ll see those opportunities plus the acceleration
associated with the cost synergies, so another 180 to 200 basis points of margin expansion coming from the cost synergies that aren’t given back to our customers. So we do see growth from that. The ability to transfer that commercial
model that gives sort of the lifeblood of what we do in the tactical radio business, yes, there’s an opportunity here. We’ll explore that more over the coming months as Chris and I really talk through how we want to run the
organization, but yes that could be an opportunity as well, Sheila.
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Sheila Kahyaoglu: |
Great, and then Chris, maybe just one quick one for you. In terms of the $500 million of growth synergies, how much of that is L3 standalone or how do we think about that?
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Chris Kubasik: |
Yes, I think the way to think about this is both Bill and I already had cost synergies built into our companies individually, cost savings, so the $500 million is over and
above that. As we go through it, a majority of this, as Bill said, is going to be based on supply chain savings and rationalizing the footprint. And then months ahead, we’re going to sit down and identify the specific targets. As of
now, I would say it’s probably pretty equally distributed between the two of us, but more to come in the months ahead.
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Sheila Kahyaoglu: |
Great. Thank you.
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Operator: |
Our next question comes the line of Ron Epstein of Bank of America.
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Ronald Epstein: |
Hi. Good morning, guys. So just a couple questions for you. The genesis of this deal, I mean, can you just walk through a little bit and explain maybe who approached
who, how it came about? That’s one question.
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Bill Brown: |
Certainly on the last one, I think I’ll confirm your third point which is not a lot of overlap. We were very careful in how we did our review, and when we talk about
complementary portfolios, we really do mean that it’s complementary. There’s very little overlap between our two companies as you see what we’re laying out today.
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Chris Kubasik: |
Yes, and just to add to that thought, I think, Ron, most people have always believed for a long time that this combination made sense, and Bill and I just worked hard to
make it happen. I don’t think the fact we’re getting together should be a surprise. Maybe the timing is, but we both pride ourselves on being rather agile and innovative, and I think people will be impressed how quickly we were able
to pull this off and not have anything leak, so we’re quite proud of that.
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Ronald Epstein: |
Great. Thank you.
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Operator: |
Our next question comes from the line of Robert Stallard of Vertical Research.
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Robert Stallard: |
Thanks so much. Good morning.
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Bill Brown: |
Hi, good morning, Rob.
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Robert Stallard: |
A couple of quick ones from me. First of all, to follow-up on Ron’s question really on the overlap and the customer reaction, there would appear to be some overlap maybe
in areas like night vision. I was wondering what the customer might have said about that? And then I’ll follow-up with my second one.
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Bill Brown: |
Look, it’s too soon to say really. At the end of the day even if there’s an overlap in a small piece like that, it’s a fraction of what we do together at $16 billion. So
it’s premature to really talk about that. We do believe our businesses are complementary and we’ll go through a normal regulatory process. As Chris just mentioned, our customers in the Pentagon had just heard about this potential
transaction over the past weekend, and they’ll go through the normal process as they normally would do and evaluate, and we’ll have conversations with them, but I don’t expect any issue in consummating this transaction from any
particular overlap.
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Robert Stallard: |
OK, and then as a second question, perhaps a more broad question. What really made you driven to do this? I mean, is there something out there that would have made your
continued independent lives more difficult than perhaps we’d appreciated? Was it just a synergy, cost synergy savings you could get that really drives this deal?
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Bill Brown: |
Well, let me start and then maybe Chris can jump in. Look, he was very careful in saying that we’re both performing exceptionally well, and you can see that in both of our
results in the latest quarter over the last year. We’re on a great trajectory. We are executing well. Dividends are performing well. There’s not a need because one’s not performing well to put our companies together. We’re doing
this because it creates more value for all stakeholders, including our shareholders, our customers, our employees.
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Chris Kubasik: |
Yes, and as Bill and I spend time together, I looked at it really from a leadership position and I think we’re complementary leaders. When I look at what Bill has done at
Harris and the integration and the success they’ve had with Exelis, my experience with the defense industry and international I think there’s just perfect synergy between the two of us.
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Robert Stallard: |
That’s great. Thanks so much, Chris and Bill.
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Bill Brown: |
Thank you.
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Operator: |
Our next question comes from the line of David Strauss of Barclays.
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David Strauss: |
Thanks. Good morning. Congratulations.
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Bill Brown: |
Good morning. Thank you.
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David Strauss: |
Maybe as a follow-up on that question. Any sort of – you’ve laid out the case on how the portfolios fit together, but any sort of quantification of the combined
portfolio? How much is complementary versus percentage that’s going to be a little bit tougher to fit together? And then from a revenue synergy standpoint, Bill, I think you said not much in the first two years, but where do you see
the biggest opportunity from a revenue synergy standpoint? Is it C4 or EW? Kind of your thoughts there?
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Bill Brown: |
Well, I think most of the portfolio across is very complementary. There’s very little overlap. There’s some pieces that L3 is in that’s sort of a little more distant as
in the pilot training, but there’s a tie-in to what we’re doing in general aviation, commercial aviation, and we’ll sort of look at how they fit together over time.
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Chris Kubasik: |
Yes, and I would agree, David. When we look at this, I mean, ISR, secured coms, electronic warfare, space pop out as maybe the top four areas. We have some world class
skills in aircraft integration and some experience that goes back decades that I think will be unique and able to help the two companies realize some revenue synergies. We have flight test capabilities that Harris does not have. We
have multispectral test facilities. Between the two of us, we have some unique labs that will allow us to do some testing and operational analysis. So it’s quite exciting, and I agree with Bill in the months and years ahead we’re
going to be able to identify these revenue synergies and be able to take advantage of them.
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David Strauss: |
Thanks. As a follow-up question, the $450 million cash spend to generate the synergy saving – cost synergy savings – can you talk about the timing of those? And then let
me also throw out initial thoughts on levels of intangible amortization and what this combination will do from a pension perspective? Thanks.
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Bill Brown: |
Yes, the – on the $450, someone’s going to be more frontend loaded probably 60 percent or so in the first year and it’ll tail off of that beyond there. In terms of
amortization, the intangibles, it’s just over $5 billion, like $5.4 billion, so maybe $550 in the first year and it’ll start to slide down a little bit over the first couple of years. There’s still a lot of work that has to be done to
really quantify that, but that’s our ingoing assumption at the moment.
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David Strauss: |
Thank you.
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Operator: |
Our next question comes from the line Cai Von Rumohr of Cowen and Company.
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Cai Von Rumohr: |
Yes, thanks. Yes, it's Cai and Gautam, we're each going to ask a question on this. First, congratulations.
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Bill Brown: |
Thanks, Gautam.
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Gautam Khanna: |
Bill, I was wondering if you could talk about any possible dis-synergies to consider? You mentioned very little market concentration. Could you maybe explore that topic
a little bit deeper for us? Where there might be, and are there any other things that you're looking at that could be more challenging.
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Bill Brown: |
Look, I think in terms of dis-synergies, I think there's going to be very little, Gautam, to be honest with you. There's negligible overlap of the businesses. We don't
really often compete head-to-head going to the market and the combined $16 billion it's very, very small.
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Gautam Khanna: |
Thanks.
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Cai Von Rumohr: |
As a quick follow-up, Bill, you guys are the leaders in enhanced night vision goggles and you both are direct competitors, so what do you think is going to have to happen
there? And then while you don't have much overlap, are there any areas where you are direct competitors say in data links or SATCOM? Thanks.
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Bill Brown: |
Data links and SATCOM's are a very competitive space and we both have some positions there, but they're not necessarily completely competitive, a lot of it's
complementary. On night vision, look, I think we both play in that space. I think Chris' business has a much more substantial position in night vision than we've had. We bought our business, that came with Exelis.
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Cai Von Rumohr: |
Thank you.
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Operator: |
Our next question comes from the line of Robert Spingarn of Credit Suisse.
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Robert Spingarn: |
Good morning. Congrats. Bill, you just spoke a couple questions ago a little bit about the pacing of the $500 million in cost synergies, but I was hoping you could delve
a little bit deeper there. What are the opening synergies on the headquarters-type work and so forth, how do we think about your one, two and three leading up to that $500?
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Bill Brown: |
Yes, maybe just a little bit more color. The piece of the corporate segment consolidation, that's about 25 percent. That's largely going to be front-end loaded because
we're going to have move quickly with – we're going to have do something – that wasn't our dog here, by the way, that…
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Robert Spingarn: |
That was just – that was just part of the team. They're very enthusiastic.
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Bill Brown: |
OK, all right, super. And obviously Chris and I will work together over the coming months so that day one we'll have an organization model with people in place, people
will know where the jobs are, that we execute straight away on day one. So that piece of corporate and segment is going to be more front-end loaded.
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Chris Kubasik: |
Yes, so Rob, we're going to put together a joint integration team, obviously as soon as allowed, and Bill and I are going to co-chair that integration team and make sure
that we get the best of the best. I think from a process policy system place, there's a lot to choose from and we're quite excited about. We've talked internally about moving to a shared service model, which Ralph and I were heading
towards. Clearly, in that example, Harris already has such a function, so that will save us the investment and time and just immediately latch onto what they already have as an example. So, I think thinks it's exciting and I think
there's a lot of opportunities. It's a big number, but we're committed to get it.
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Robert Spingarn: |
OK. And just a quick one on the regulatory side, is there enough China exposure, perhaps at L3 on the aviation side I imagine, to trigger the threshold for a regulatory
review there?
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Chris Kubasik: |
As it looks right now, it doesn't appear that we'll need to file one in China, so we'll work through this with the outside advisors, but the first pass would be no to that
question.
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Robert Spingarn: |
OK. Thank you both.
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Bill Brown: |
Thank you.
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Chris Kubasik: |
Thank you.
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Operator: |
Our next question comes from the line of Peter Arment of Baird.
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Peter Arment: |
Yes. Thanks. Good morning. Congratulations Bill and Chris.
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Chris Kubasik: |
Thank you.
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Peter Arment: |
Yes, just quickly to follow-up on the regulatory comment, because you've answered a lot of questions here this morning. Just the normal process, Bill, you mentioned
regarding the reviews, just maybe how you guys arrived in terms of the timeline or when do you expect, I guess, ultimately to see the final approvals. You said mid-2019, but just trying to pin it down a little further.
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Bill Brown: |
Yes, it's hard to pin it down much further than that. It's going to take a few months to put together the S-4, maybe six weeks. We have to do some recast of financials.
We'll have a shareholder's meeting early next year with our expectation it could be in the January, February timeframe, again, depending upon how quickly we can get S-4 out. Then we're going to get on right away with the outset
attorneys in putting together paperwork to file for HSR approval here in the U.S. and they'll go through their process.
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Peter Arment: |
Appreciate all that. Thanks again. Congratulations.
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Bill Brown: |
You bet.
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Operator: |
Our final question for today will come from the line of Noah Poponak of Goldman Sachs.
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Noah Poponak: |
Good morning, everyone.
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Bill Brown: |
Good morning Noah.
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Noah Poponak: |
What year are you considering to be year three in the financials discussion?
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Bill Brown: |
We expect to close in the middle of '19, so it will be three years after the middle of '19. So, it could be the end of the calendar '21 or by the early part of 2022.
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Noah Poponak: |
OK. So, we could be talking full year 2021?
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Bill Brown: |
Yes.
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Noah Poponak: |
OK. And what kind of profit margins for the combined entity are you contemplating in the combined $3 billion of free cash flow?
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Rahul Ghai: |
So right now, I think the combined margins are between Harris – this is around – combined margins around 14 percent. So, I think it get close to about – add a couple of
points. It will be kind of mid-teens, 15 to 16 percent.
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Noah Poponak: |
OK. I mean the genesis of that question, I guess, the combined being 14.5, the net synergies alone add a couple hundred basis points, so I guess I'm sort of staring at the
combined company margins and wondering how close you think you can get on a combined basis to what the legacy standalone Harris margin is if you add the synergies on and then there's operating efficiency improvements as well?
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Bill Brown: |
Yes. It's going to take sometime to get back up to like 19, 19.5 percent, but it's probably in the 16, 16.5 percent range over the next couple of years.
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Chris Kubasik: |
Yes, that's all excluding intangibles, obviously. So, that's the goal.
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Noah Poponak: |
OK. And then, just – I guess just one more question related to that multi-year view is, I guess I was a little confused by the discussion of mid-single digit organic
growth. Maybe you can put a little more detail on that. Just because both companies, as standalones, already have existing financial guidance for different versions of closer to upper-single digit organic growth on a more than
one-year basis. The bookings have been particularly strong for each company on a standalone business, and you're talking about revenue synergies on top of all that. Am I missing something or are you talking a longer timeframe? Or
what am I missing and not understanding, mid-single digit organic revenue growth.
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Bill Brown: |
So we came off a very good quarter here recently and we're both around 9 to 10 percent organic growth, which was quite strong. Harris has been guiding to mid-to
high-single digits over the medium term and Chris can talk about where their guidance happens to be. When we put the companies together it will be in that range. Then, yes, you're right, there will be some revenue opportunities that
would incrementally higher than that, not something we're prepared to talk about today, not sure in terms of how much more incremental growth beyond the pro-forma, but there's going to be some additional opportunities.
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Chris Kubasik: |
Yes, we've talked about five percent is kind of our target over the next few years, so I think we're all kind of in the same range here. So, 2021, 2022 is a ways off.
We'll get working on this right away and we'll keep you abreast as we get more into this. But as you can tell, it's a pretty exciting opportunity. I think there's a lot of upside on the revenues, the cost of the margins and that's
what we're committed to deliver on.
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Noah Poponak: |
Fair enough. OK. Thanks so much.
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Bill Brown: |
You bet Noah. Was that the last question?
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Chris Kubasik: |
Thank you.
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Operator: |
Thank you ladies and gentlemen. This does conclude today's conference call. You may now disconnect.
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